These hats offer great stick definition that you can still lay into to have them wash out with a pleasing a sustaining sizzle if desired. Medium darker tone that still cuts through, great for a live setting. Some very unique cymbals with bottom cymbal having ripples around the edge adding bite to the “chick” and being half lathed I find brings complexity and balance to the tone. No damage or keyhole. It’s time to try a new sound for me and hoping the next person enjoys these as much as I have. Open to trades for other musical gear. I’m interested in a Looper, audio interface, speakers, headphones, or snare drums, hithats or other cymbals.