This is an as new Italian made treeless saddle that is extremely comfortable for you and your horse. It has the endurance stirrups which make long rides easy on your knees and is the cutback model which will accomodate most whither types. You can place the Freeform pads under the saddle which makes it more like a treed saddle or use it without with an appropriate pad, skito, euqalizer, etc. which is how I used it. Many of the Tevis cup endurance riders choose Freeform saddles for the 100 mile race, for their comfort and weight for you and your horse. This is far below cost if you were looking to buy one new.